Ski Trail Grooming Costs with a Snowmobile

Equipment
4 stroke Ski Doo SWT $9,800
84 inch Ginzu and tracksetter $4,100
Roller and drag $2500
Shipping/Set up $400
Tax $1,008
Total $17,808
Operations
Gas: 100 miles/7 gallons (14.2 MPG) @ $2.50 /gallon = $0.18/mile
Estimate 2000 miles/year for a 40 km trail system in the snowbelt: 2,000 x $0.18
$360
Labor: 2,000 miles at 5 miles /hour = 400 hours
400 hours @ $25/hour with fringes/comp taxes
$1,000
Annual Fixed Costs
Registration $25
Belts/plugs/gear oil/tail light/windshield $300
Insurance $550
Depreciation $2,544
Tax $350
Cost of Snowmobile Grooming
Total $5,129.00
$5,129/2,000 miles = $2.56/mile

2008 Grooming Clinic Agenda

This year ABR will again be hosting the Midwest Grooming Clinic, Tuesday and Wednesday Jan 15 and 16th 2008. The format will be set the same as we have had the last 7 years .

What is a Grooming Clinic?

For those of you who have not heard of the Clinic, let me try to describe it as a combination of a Clinic, Seminar, Workshop, Trade Show, and Show and Tell. You can take part, demo equipment, exchange ideas with the pro’s and vendors or you can browse the demo’s and watch and listen to the presentations. Groomers from the most experienced to novices are invited and have attended. Even veteran groomers will learn something if they keep an open mind. Speakers are invited from all over the country. Dress warm for the outdoor mornings and cooler for the afternoon indoor talks. Don’t forget to bring your ski clothes!

Costs

The cost for the Clinic is $150/person or vendor.

This includes printed grooming material and handouts, a 60 minute grooming DVD, rolls and coffee, lunch both days and the Wednesday night dinner. Trail use for grooming and/or skiing. Grooming Clinic instruction, clinic seminars, workshops, demo opportunity, etc.

We will have free ski rentals and beginner ski instruction for all registered participants.

Lodging

Book your lodging and ask for the groomers clinic discount. Check the ABR website for lodging and links …www.abrski.com

Clinic Equipment

  1. 2008 Pisten Bully PB 100 with Bachelor Renovator
  2. 2007 Can Am ATV with a blade and Mattracks Litefoot M3 Tracks
  3. Small and Medium Tidd Tech G2 groomer with the scratchers
  4. Yellowstone Track System Ginzu Groomer 60”, 84”, 108”
  5. Alpina powertiller
  6. Ski-Doo SWT 550 Fan, SWT v-800 4 stroke, TUV 1000 4 Stroke,
  7. Kubota RTV by Lulich
  8. TJD Track Systems?
  9. 4 stroke Yamaha VK Pro
  10. ASV Scout
  11. Polaris Ranger with Mattracks
  12. ATV with with Mattracks
  13. Various Rollers and drags
  14. Bachelor Renovator
  15. Prinoth Groomer?
  16. Hiss Groomer?

There were many sales as a result of the Clinic. Vendors did sell their demos and we are encouraging this year’s vendors to load up their trucks and trailers for the Clinic.

The heated “Race Building” will again house tables for vendor’s displays, and will have grooming video tapes/DVD’s playing during the 2 days.

Tentative Schedule

Tuesday January 15th

8- 9:00 Registration coffee and rolls in the Groomer Barn

sponsored by Hurley Motor Sports (Formerly Aves)

9- 12:00 Vendor Demos across the road at the dog ski trails

15-20minutes /vendors on snow and hands on equipment demos following

12:00-1:30 Pasty lunch in the Wax/Groomer Barn sponsored by Mattracks

1:30-2:00 Choosing your grooming snowmobile/ evaluation of 5 popular machines

2:00-2:30 Grooming in low snow conditions: Peter Crookes

2:30-3:00 Grooming from a Skiers Prospective: Jim Waters

3:00-3:30 Grooming with a powertiller : Greg Toomire

3:30-4:00 Grooming in heavy snow: Eric Anderson

4:00-5:00 Open skiing and demo of grooming equipment

6:30 –7:30 Social hour and vendors indoor table displays at Tacconellis 215 S. Suffolk St in Downtown Ironwood. Social hour sponsored by Tidd Tech

7:30-8:30 Dinner at Tacconelli’s sponsored by ABR Trails

Tacconellis is on the intersection of McCloud and Suffolk Streets, turn left at the last intersection instead of going to US2 on Lake Street after leaving ABR

8:30-9:00 Presentation : TBD

9:00–9:10 Grooming Trivia Test and Prizes

Wednesday Jan 16th

8-9 AM coffee and rolls sponsored by __________

9:00-9:30 Grooming demonstration for deep snow

9:30-10:00 Grooming demonstration competitions on ice

10:00-10:15 Snow Cat Renovator demonstration

10:15-10:45 How to make your snowmobile steer with a groomer

10:45-11:15 Snowmobile Grooming Safety by Rick Slade

11:30-12:30 Bratwurst Lunch sponsored by Pisten Bully

12:30- 1:30 Grooming 101 (Chalkboard Discussion) Eric Anderson

1:30-2:30 Basic grooming on snow- hands on

2:30-3:30 Setting up your Snowmobile for grooming Rick Slade (wiring, cooling and suspension)

3:30-5:00 Open skiing and grooming

This tentative schedule is being developed and details and specifics subject to change. Watch the website for updates. The general time slots will remain the same.

Bring your used equipment that you have for sale or a photo and ad to post on the FOR SALE board at the clinic!

Grooming Economics

Conserving Snow and Money
Budget and Weather
Goals
Race/Event Grooming
Touring Center
Resort with Guests
Ski Club
Back Yard Trail
Municipality Park on a budget
Weekly grooming/contract
Empty Resort
Decisions
Snowcat grooming vs Snowmobile grooming
$100/hour and hard snow
$2.50/mile and soft snow
1 pass vs 2 passes
Skate marks on the edges
Perfect cordoroy
Skate lanes buffing vs complete renovation
Slow snow, but looks nice and is fast….. easy to groom
Fast snow, sturdy and durable surface …. slow to groom
Re-tracking vs not re-tracking
Set up time
Track condition
Glazed track
Safe track
Grooming all of the trails vs. partial trails
Groom the hilly trails to make them safe
Groom the flat trails and close the hilly trails
Leave one trail ungroomed and label it “not groomed” as a groomer appreciation trail
Alternate days for grooming a portion of the trails and post it for skiers to plan their routes
Groom for your audience
Race skiers
Recreational skiers
Classic skiers vs Skate skiers
Groom for the forecast
No new snow for the next few days ….groom conservatively, get a nice firm track in and leave it
New snow daily, start grooming narrow and widening daily to avoid plowing snow off

2006 Grooming Clinic Agenda

This year ABR will again be hosting the Midwest Grooming Clinic, Wednesday and Thursday Jan 18 and 19th 2006. The format will be set the same as we have had the last 4 years.

What is a Grooming Clinic?

For those of you who have not heard of the Clinic, let me try to describe it as a combination of a Clinic, Seminar, Workshop, Trade Show, and Show and Tell. You can take part, demo equipment, exchange ideas with the pro’s and vendors or you can browse the demo’s and watch and listen to the presentations. Groomers from the most experienced to novices are invited and have attended. Even veteran groomers will learn something if they keep an open mind. Speakers are invited from all over the country. Dress warm for the outdoor mornings and cooler for the afternoon indoor talks. Don’t forget to bring your ski clothes!

Costs/Meals

The cost for the Clinic is $150/person, This includes rolls and coffee and lunch both days and the Wed night dinner.

We will have free ski rentals and beginner ski instruction for all registered participants.

Lodging

Book your lodging and ask for the groomers clinic discount.

ABR Trailside Lodging 906-932-3502 Classic Motor Inn 906-932-2000

Black River Lodge 906-932-3857 The Montreal Inn B & B 715-561-5180

Indianhead Motel 906-932 2031 Anton-Walsh House B&B 715-561-2065

Invited Clinic Vendors to be confirmed.

  1. Pisten Bully with new innovations from PB ©
  2. Bombardier by Aspen Equipment with a Bombardier groomer
  3. Tidd Tech with the NEW G2 groomers and new innovations ©
  4. Yellowstone Track Systems with the NEW Ginzu Groomer and gooseneck©
  5. Alpina with the NEW dual-track Sherpa Snowmobile and powertiller©
  6. Xcskigroomers with the Sno Razor groomer and cutter bar
  7. Ski-Doo by Ave’s Sport Center©
  8. KRC Snow Paver
  9. Snow Implements …. A dealer for YTS, Tidd Tech, Alpina and Trakor©
  10. Northland Equipment with Arctic Cat and John Deere ©
  11. Wildcat by Cushman
  12. Kubota by Lulich©
  13. Artic Cat factory
  14. Polaris factory
  15. Yamaha factory
  16. Kawasaki factory
  17. Payeur Inc by Metavic©
  18. Honda
  19. Kimpex Tracks TJD ©

© denotes confirmed vendors or displays as of Dec 30th.

There were many sales as a result of the Clinic. Vendors did sell their demos and we are encouraging this year’s vendors to load up their trucks and trailers for the Clinic.

The heated “Race Building” will again house tables for vendor’s displays, and will have grooming video tapes playing during the 2 days.

Tentative Schedule

Wed January 18th

8- 9:00 Registration coffee and rolls sponsored by Kubota- Lulich Implements

9- 12:00 Vendor Demos 15-20minutes /vendors on snow and demos following

12:00-1:30 Pasty lunch (and test drives) sponsored by Yellowstone Track Systems

1:30-2:00 Snow Cat Grooming Paul Swanson

2:00-2:30 Grooming from a Skiers Prospective Ken Hazel

2:30-3:00 Repairing ATV Trail Damage Bruce Slinkman

3:00-3:30 Snow Grooming with an ATV Doug Edgerton

3:30-4:00 Early Season Grooming Eric Anderson

4:00-5:00 Open skiing and demo of grooming equipment

6:30 –7:30 Social hour and vendors indoor table displays at Tacconellis 215 S. Suffolk St in Downtown Ironwood. Social hour sponsored by Tidd Tech

7:30-8:30 Dinner at Tacconelli’s sponsored by Snow Implements

8:30-9:00 Presentation

9:00–9:10 Grooming Trivia Test and Prizes

Thursday Jan 19th

8-9 AM registration coffee and rolls sponsored by Ski-doo- Aves Motor Center

9:00-10:00 Grooming competitions on ice and on deep snow

10:00 Snow Cat Renovator demonstration

10:15:-11:00 Snowmobile pulling competition and turning radius testing

10-11:00 Grooming 101 (Chalkboard Discussion) in the Lunch Room at ABR

11-12:00 Basic grooming on snow

12:00-1:00 Bratwursts on the grill sponsored by Pisten Bully

1:30-2:30 Setting up your Skandic SWT for grooming in the heated workshop

1:30-2:30 Tracksetting on snow

2:30-3:00 Grooming Scenarios

3:30-5:00 Open skiing and grooming

3:00 load and go… or stay and ski

This tentative schedule is being developed and details and specifics subject to change. Watch the website for updates. The general time slots will remain the same.

Bring your used equipment that you have for sale or a photo and ad to post on the FOR SALE board at the clinic!

Setting Your Snowmobile Up for Grooming

Typical Heavy Duty Work Snowmobiles

Ski-doo Skandic SWT,  Yamaha VK Professional, Ski-doo Skandic SWT V800, the 2009 Polaris Widetrack IQ.

Medium Duty Utility Snowmobiles

Arctic Cat Bearcat, Ski doo TUV and SUV, Polaris  Widetrack, Yamaha Viking

Light Duty Utility Snowmobiles

Arctic Cat Panther, Ski doo Tundra and many 2 up touring sleds. The 2 up sleds mean that they have a long track for extra traction. Cooling systems need to be evaluated for your groomer and grooming conditions. Gearing the snowmobile down is an option with low gears in the chain case.

Decide on your groomer

First you need to decide on what type of groomer you will be pulling. For example a 3 foot wood drag or bedspring will not require the same type of machine that a 108 inch Ginzu groomer will.

Set up

The snowmobile must pull a 200-300 lb groomer with up to 1500 pounds of pulling resistance due to the groomer teeth or knives,  and  carried snow, while maintaining, traction, steering, Traction requirements are a wide and long track with a medium size lug that is able to be studded for ice.  Suspension requirements include a stiff rear suspension that does not squat with the weight of the groomer but delivers adequate ski pressure for steering.   The suspension does not need to be soft for dampening bumps because trail grooming is done on a relatively smooth surface.

Read the owners manual or follow the Grooming DVD to set up your suspension for maximum steering and traction.

The low speeds require low gearing and low rpm clutch engagements to prevent belt burning. The low speed application of grooming requires a transmission with low gearing.  Wide ratio clutches have been tried unsuccessfully. Many chain cases and some transmissions have replacement gears to gear the snowmobile down for low speed operation. Clutches are also rebuildable for low speed engagement.

The cooling systems must either be fan cooled or liquid cooled with a radiator and fan.  The typical heat exchanger under the tunnel and floor boards does not provide enough cooling in slow grooming operations on hard surfaces without loose snow present .  Special devices on the back of the skis have been tried unsuccessfully to spray snow on to the heat exchangers.  Scratchers for the rails do work in providing extra snow on the track for the hi fax and for the coolers. Additional holes in the hood and belly pan provide extra cooling air. A temperature gauge and a manual switch to turn on the electric fan can be a big help to monitor cooling issues before the machine over heats.

Modern trail grooming implements have had electric actuators as standard equipment, the grooming implement has two to three actuators standard with each actuator drawing 20 to 30 amps and consisting of a reversible twelve volt electric motor.  The ideal grooming machine has a twelve volt battery and charging system, able to keep with these electric loads.  Many options are available to wire in your groomer.

  1. You can use a stand alone battery and switch system that is movable form one machine to another. This system requiress charging the battery and adds extra weight to your machine.
  2. You can tie into the vehicle wiring to get power from your machine battery and hard wire switches in to the console or dash.
  3. You can tie into the vehicle wiring to get power from your machine battery have a connecot to the removable switch box that is attached to your steering handle bars with tie wraps or velcroe

A heavy duty pintle hitch is also a requirement. These are available from Dennis Kirk or from your dealer.